Skip to main content

About this Show

Politics Nation

The Rev. Al Sharpton discusses the day's important political and human interest stories.

NETWORK

DURATION
01:01:00

RATING

SCANNED IN
San Francisco, CA, USA

SOURCE
Comcast Cable

TUNER
Channel v787

VIDEO CODEC
mpeg2video

AUDIO CODEC
ac3

PIXEL WIDTH
1920

PIXEL HEIGHT
1080

TOPIC FREQUENCY

Benghazi 13, Us 11, Breo 6, Gowdy 5, Michael Sam 5, Allstate 5, Montana 5, Nigeria 5, Marco Rubio 4, Clinton 4, Krystal 4, Missouri 4, U.s. 4, America 4, New York 4, Msnbc 3, Michelle Obama 3, Paul 3, Bayer Back & Body 2, Rubio 2,
Borrow a DVD
of this show
  MSNBC    Politics Nation    The Rev. Al Sharpton discusses the day's  
   important political and human interest stories.  

    May 12, 2014
    3:00 - 4:01pm PDT  

3:00pm
show during otas and fre season, just like everyone else is allowed to show what they can do, that's what we're looking for. your sexuality shouldn't matter. >> thanks for joining us. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton begins now. >> good evening to you, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, speechless in the gop. the affordable care act is working and republicans literally don't want to talk about it. it's quite a change from the beginning of the year when they were plotting another year chalk full of healthcare repeal votes. >> this law is a disaster. in my opinion, obama care is on borrowed time. >> we need to repeal every single word of obamacare. >> if i had my wie about it, we would repeal obamacare and start all over and get it right. >> we could repeal obamacare and get this monkey off the backs of the american people. >> it was going to be all repeal all the time.
3:01pm
and yet after four years of dragging their feet, eric cantor said the house would finally vote on a health care alternative in 2014. but that was then. what are the republicans saying now? speaker boehner, take it away. nothing? how about eric cantor who promised that vote. [ contradicts chicrickets chirp] >> awww, the sounds of silence. the hill reports that republicans don't have any health care hearings scheduled. no one going after the law and no folks trying to repeal it. gez it's going to be a quiet summer. and remember that other gop
3:02pm
talking point that the health care law was going to sink democrats in the midterm elections? it's clear obama care is still the number one, number two, number three issue going into this election. >> this issue is going to be toxic for the democrats. and believe me, we will tattoo it to their foreheads in 2014. >> it turns 0u9, vo s out, vote think it's toxic at all. arkansas democratic senator mark pryor up 11 points over his republican challenger. a red state senate race and the candidate who pushed for repeal is down double digits? and how about arkansas governor mike beebe who expanded medicaid. he's got a 79% approval rate. this law is working and regular people know it. another new poll finds 61% of americans want to keep or fantastic the health care law.
3:03pm
it couldn't be more clear. this law has helped millions of people get ensured and the gop prognosis about the law was totally wrong. joining me now congressman emanuel cleaver, democrat of missouri and msnbc's krystal ball. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> congressman, is the policy success of the health care law starting to change the politics of it as well? >> i think you just said it perfectly. look, the polling, the republicans cannot change the polling. but the polling will eventually change the republicans. and the reason is, if you look at 1936, just prior to the election, fdr signed social security into law. 1964, lyndon johnson flew to
3:04pm
kansas city, signed the medicare bill with harry truman and barry goldwater. johnson won 44 states and the district of columbia. goldwater won 26. >> talking about the polls, another interesting thing for the nbc poll. in kentucky, 57% of people have an unflavorable view of, quote, obama care. with only 33% favorable. when they call it kynect, more view it favorably than unfavorably. >> the governor has been very aggressive in making sure the
3:05pm
implementation there is successful. it tells a great anecdote about going to a fair where folks are signing up and said this kynect is so great, i don't know why obamacare doesn't learn a thing or two from it. but it's the same thing, right. but republicans have been very effective for a long time in saying don't like the president and if you don't like the president, you also shouldn't like his health care law, because when you poll separately on what obamacare was, the provisions were consistently popular, but the name itself had been so politicized. now we're faced with a situation where it's not so easy for republicans. real people are benefitting from the law. real people are getting health care that have never had it before. it's your friends, family members, neighbors that are getting access to health care that have not had it before. >> you know, congressman, something that's not being talked a lot about in the media
3:06pm
that people ought to know, "the washington post" reported new stats from the hospital corporation of america, which runs hospitals in 20 states. hospitals in states that expa expandexpan expanded medicaid are admitting 29% fewer uninsured patients. but hospitals in states that didn't expand medicaid are actually seeing more uninsured people. doesn't this show how much good the law is doing? how much harm republicans have created by opposing it, congressman? >> absolutely, reverend. you know, unfortunately the state of missouri is hanging out in the 12th century because the missouri general assembly will not approve the governor's recommendation that we would expand medicaid here. if that happened, 300,000 people would be insured here, right here in missouri. 300,000. you look at that around the country, or you just look right here in missouri, that's 300,000
3:07pm
people who will now have insurance, who will not show up at hospitals, hca hospitals, or other hospitals for that matter, without insurance and going to emergency rooms. this is going to be a game changer for the u.s. economy. and i think that the states who are not expanding medicaid are wallowing in two or three centuries behind. >> you know, krystal, with all of that with being clearly factual. they're still in denial. in fact, the boss, the head of the republican party, he still thinks the law will be bad for democrats in the election. listen. >> this november is going to be huge. if just half the lies about obama care had been known, we would be talking about the democrat party funeral.
3:08pm
it's one of the up sides there is in all of this. >> does this mean that some republicans are still going to try to run on this law? or run against the law, really? >> they are. and, you know, it's sad to watch that and the way that they lie to the people who are going to them for accurate information because all of the things that they've said, all of the doom and loom that they've said about obama care false. they said tlrs going to be a death spiral. that didn't happen. they said young people weren't going to sign up. that didn't happen. young people did sign up. they said people weren't going to pay their premiums, that didn't happen. every time they made a prediction that obama care was going to fail, they've been totally and completely wrong. yet some folks still hang on, a lot of folks unfortunately in the republican party still hang on to this idea that the law is an absolute failure and we would be better off repealing it. for the base of the republican party because they' been selling them this line song, unfortunately it still is somewhat an effective political attack. but only in the base.
3:09pm
the president has been saying campaign on the law. he's been saying that democrats should not run from it but run to it and campaign on it. listen to this. >> and let me tell you something. you've got 8 million people who signed up on these exchange, you've got millions more who are benefitting from expanding medica medicaid. i can't explain to you why they're so obsessed to make sure those folks don't have insurance. but we're on the right side of history on that issue. >> that's the line. isn't that the point, congressman? >> it is, absolutely. and history will show that the american people embrace what is right and not who is right. and the republicans are hanging out on the who is right and trying to use some lagging poll numbers on the president's part to suggest that anything he touches is wrong. that's why they use the term obama scare. they use it in a pejorative way.
3:10pm
but the public went right past that and said we're interested in what works. and i think that the sad thing is that -- and i think crystal is absolutely right. i'm in the house of representatives every day looking at people who have nothing else to do in terms of demonizing this, because the american public is already with them on this issue. >> this is a huge story in this election year, health care. we're going to be watching it all the way through. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> and be sure to watch "the cycle" krystal on "the cycle" right here on msnbc. coming up, right wingers make some stunning jokes about the fight to bring back those abducted nigerian schoolgirls. they're mocking the first lady and it's way over the line. >> are these barbarians in the wilds of nigerians supposed to check their twitter accounts and
3:11pm
auh-oh, michelle obama is very cross with us. we better change our behavior. >> plus, john boehner is trying to pull a fast one. you won't believe what republicans are claiming with their latest bogus talking point. also, a man shoots and kills a student in his garage and claims self-defense. it's an explosive new court case that's reigniting debate about the guns and the law. stay with us. you, my friend are a master of diversification. who would have thought three cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche? the same guy who thought that small caps and bond funds would go with a merging markets. it's a masterpiece. thanks. clearly you are type e. you made it phil. welcome home. now what's our strategy with the fondue?
3:12pm
diversifying your portfolio? e*trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. are you type e*? [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪
3:13pm
>> it's been two weeks since l.a. clippers owner donald sterling was caught on tape making racially-charged comments. and now he's apologizing. >> i'm apologizing and i'm asking for forgiveness. am i entitled to one mistake
3:14pm
after 35 years? i mean, i love my league, i love my partners. am i entitled to one mistake? it's a terrible mistake and i'll never do it again. i'm not a racist. i made a terrible, terrible mistake. >> the apology the heels of the nba assigning dick parsons as interim ceo of the clippers. parsons says he's deeply troubled by the pain this has caused and will oversee the team until it is ultimately sold to a new owner. nba owners will hold a vote to oust sterling, but his wife shelly says she wants to keep her stake. the nba says she's not entitled to keep it if a sale is forced. let's be clear. this fight is one heading in the right direction. and that's the clippers being
3:15pm
sold is the right direction in my judgment. the steriles have no claim to this team anymore. in this great country, hate isn't rewarded. it's game over. didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
3:16pm
strap on your seattle belt, republicans are trying to pull a fast one. after weeks of ugly scandal mongering, the house gop is out with a whole new message. all they care about is jobs. they swear. >> republicans are focused on building a strong economy that pluss good jobs. >> compete for in-demand jobs.
3:17pm
>> 42,000 direct and indirect jobs. >> we'll help them find good jobs. >> promote innovation and job creation. >> keep good ideas and good jobs. >> this is amazing. they deserve an award for saying this stuff with a straight face. jobs? it's been all benghazi all the time. and despite having all the answers and every one getting debunked, they still voted to create another benghazi committee, which is what they spent a all weekends talking about. >> the democrats have been politicizing and that's wrong about people who died. >> they depseudoed to mislead the public and the families of these victims. >> there was an attempt by the administration to cheapen the death of four americans. >> they accused administration of cheapening the death of four americans while claiming democrats are playing politics?
3:18pm
and yet speaker boehner says this has absolutely nothing to do with politics. >> this is a serious investigation. i don't want theatre, i don't want a side show. >> he doesn't want theatre, he doesn't want a side show. this is nothing but theatre, and their new claim about jobs is just another part of the act. the republicans have been pounding benghazi obsessively. they claim they're relentlessly focused on jobs now. how do they say this with with a straight face? >> you know they're obsessed about benghazi because they even forgot to attack obama care for the last week or so. they are really distracted by it. they are very much concerned about jobs. they're concerned about their own jobs. if you take a look at what this election is in november, it's a base election. need to turn out the party
3:19pm
faithful, the hard core conservatives who have been demanding if for a year and a half now they do more with benghazi. finally they said okay, we'll guf you what you want. we'll do more with benghazi. they're doing what the base of the party demanded. even though it may hurt with the broader electric rat who's not interested in yet another committee doing yet another investigation of benghazi. >> the head of this committee, trey gowdy is back peddling after referring to the investigation as a trial. listen to this. >> for 16 years i spoke in trial metaphors and perhaps i need to get out of that habit. what i simply meant is when you asked how long something is going to last, i need to know how cooperative the other side is going to be. >> but even today, gowdy's own websi website still has video of him showing him saying the jury is
3:20pm
out. under the headline, representative gowdy to the families of benghazi victims, the jury has not forgotten. so they're setting this up, language over trial all islanders of analogies and inferen inferences. it's not like we haven't been down this investigative road on benghazi over and over again. >> i'm delighted to hear chairman gowdy backtracking, but let's face it. they've been fundraising off of this a by having this website called benghazi watchdogs, before i came on your show, reverend al, i checked it. it's still there. they're still raising money off of trey gowdy and this benghazi committee. how do they expect the american public to take this seriously, to believe that this isn't a show trial? to believe that this is some honest, legitimate investigation when it, in fact, is being used
3:21pm
for the express purpose of raising campaign funds for house republicans? >> democrats still haven't said whether they're going to boycott participation in this committee or whether they're going to join. "the new york times" reports that i ear looking dubiously at joining the panel. >> what's your sense of what they'll do? >> i think ultimately they have to participate in it. whether they like it or not, the republicans are in control of the house. they can have the committee, they can have cspan there and they can demand that hillary clinton comes up there and testifies, which sh epresumably would. do they want to have it so democrats can't be there to help her present her side of the story? i mean, this is all about going into 2016 and that's -- in fact, that's when trey gowdy started talking about a trial, talking about bringing this into 2016 into the expected campaign of hillary clinton.
3:22pm
if that's what it's about, democrats want to be there and have their mouths going at the same time. coming up, a new photo shows the missing nigerian schoolgirls. and mocking first lady michelle obama's bring back our girls photo. plus senator marco rubio once said, quote, i'm not a scientist, man. and now he's proving that theory. oh, we gotcha in a big way. next. i'm j-a-n-e and i have copd.
3:23pm
i'm d-a-v-e and i have copd. i'm k-a-t-e and i have copd, but i don't want my breathing problems to get in the way my volunteering. that's why i asked my doctor about b-r-e-o. once-daily breo ellipta helps increase airflow from the lungs for a full 24 hours.
3:24pm
and breo helps reduce symptom flare-ups that last several days and require oral steroids, antibiotics, or hospital stay. breo is not for asthma. breo contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. it is not known if this risk is increased in copd. breo won't replace rescue inhalers for sudden copd symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. breo may increase your risk of pneumonia, thrush, osteoporosis, and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking breo. ask your doctor about b-r-e-o for copd. first prescription free at mybreo.com humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional better car replacement, where if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer.
3:25pm
call... and ask an insurance expert about all our benefits today, like our 24/7 support and service, because at liberty mutual insurance, we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, so we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. plus, you could save hundreds when you switch, up to $423. call... today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? >> it's time for climate change deniers to go back to science class. last week, the white house released a big report on the impact of climate change in the u.s. president obama was in california, tackling the issue
3:26pm
of climate denierism head-on. >> climate change is real and we have to act now. unfortunately inside of washington, we've still got some climate deniers who shout loud, but they're wasting everybody's time on settled debate. climate change is a fact. >> but marco rubio isn't convinced. he's aiming for the top grade in climate change denial 101. >> i don't agree with the notion that some are putting out there, including scientists, that somehow there are actions we can take today that would actually have an impact on what's happening in our climate. our climate is always changing. and what they have chosen to do is taken a handful of decades of research and say that this is now evidence of a longer term trend that's directly and almost solely attributable to manmade activity. >> has senator rubio done any
3:27pm
homework? he thinks climate change isn't manmade and there's nothing we can do about it? he gave a similar presentation just last week. >> i think severe weather has been a fact of life on earth since man started recording history. i think -- i understand that there's a vast consensus of the scientists that are saying that human activities is contributing to changes in our climate. i think that's an enormous stretch to say every weather incident we now read about, or the majority of them are attributable to human activity. but here's what we need to do as policymaker, because that's what the president is. he's not a meteorologist. >> the spt not a meteorologist? marco rubio is one to talk. he was once asked how old he thought the earth was and he responded, quote, i'm not a scientist, man. but can you believe this? he actually sits on the senate science committee. what do you do to get on that one? it's clear senator rubio should
3:28pm
have paid a little more attention in science class, especially as the senator from florida, a state that will be hugely impacted by climate change. the new report said miami and tampa are among the top cities at risk. but hey, he did prove one theory right. he's definitely no scientist. maybe it's time to go back to school. did marco rubio think we wouldn't notice he slept through science class? nice try, but we gotcha. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase like 60,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can.
3:29pm
we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all... with a signature. legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses, turning dreamers into business owners. and we're here to help start yours. turning dreamers into business owners. nowchoose one option fromith red lothe wood-fire grill,trios! one signature shrimp dish, and a pasta. all on one plate. three delicious choices. all for $15.99 for a limited time only! come sea food differently today! this is mike. his long race day starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve... ...for all day relief. "start your engines"
3:30pm
thank you. thank you. i got this. oh, no, i'll get it! let me get it. uh-uh-uh. i don't want you to pay for this. it's not happening, honey. let her get it. she got her safe driving bonus check from allstate last week. and it's her treat. what about a tip? oh, here's one... get an allstate agent. nice! [ female announcer ] switch today and get two safe driving bonus checks a year for driving safely. only from allstate. call 866-905-6500 now. here we go! hold on man. is that a leak up there? that's a drip. whoo. okay. aah. now that's a leak. that is a leak! and if you don't have allstate renters insurance... game over. [ female announcer ] protect your valuables from things like water damage for as low as $4 a month when you add renters insurance to your allstate auto policy. call 866-905-6500 now. plus, drivers who switched saved an average of $498 a year. just a few more ways allstate is changing car insurance for good. [ female announcer ] call an allstate agent and get a quote now.
3:31pm
[ female announcer ] call an allstate agent honestly, the off-season isn't i've got a lot to do. that's why i got my surface. it's great for watching game film and drawing up plays. it's got onenote, so i can stay on top of my to-do list, which has been absolutely absurd since the big game. with skype, it's just really easy to stay in touch with the kids i work with. alright, russell you are good to go! alright, fellas. alright, russ. back to work! today, a new video surfaced which appeared to show about 100 of the nigerian schoolgirls who had been abducted by terrorists. u.s. officials say the video appears to be authentic. the girls are seen wearing full veils and praying. the terrorist leader behind the abductions now say he'll let the
3:32pm
girls go in exchange for militant prisoners. he also claims the girls have been converted to islam. a u.s. team is now on the ground in nigeria trying to help officials there with the search. this weekend, rallies were held in support of the young women, including one here in new york that the mayor and i participated in. the first lady also has become a vocal advocate, tweeting out this photo showing herself holding a sign with the #bringbackourgirls. and this weekend, in a rare move, she delivered the white house weekly address. >> like millions of people across the globe, my husband and i are outraged and heartbroken over the kidnapping of more than 200 nigerian girls from their school dormitory. in these girls, barack and i see our own daughters. we see their hopes and their
3:33pm
dreams. and we can only imagine the anguish their parents are feeling right now. >> this story should unite both sides. but for some on the right, it's become an excuse to mock and vilify those, who like the first lady, use social media to rally support for the missing girls. >> it's an exercise in self-esteem. i do not know adults stand there facing a camera and say bring back our girls. are these barbarians in the wilds of nigeria supposed to check their twitter accounts and say uh-oh, michelle obama is very cross with us. we better change our behavior. >> it's trending. it's trending on twitter. >> the hashtag isn't enough for you? >> that was incredible. i mean, incredible. but we're a different place. we're a different country. we're not respected. >> why is the first lady showing us the hashtag? shouldn't she just show her husband? >> you can't base your policy on what's trending on twitter.
3:34pm
it has to be more than hashtags and selfies. >> it has to be more than hashtags and selfies? this from the man leaving congress to become the next rush limbaugh of the right wing radio networks. at the end of the day, this is about girls ripped from their schools, their lives literally stolen. and it's beyond shameful that any pundit or politician would try to ridicule those who are fighting to get these girls home. joining me now is joe madison and joan walsh. b thank you both for coming on the show tonight. joan, let me start with you. mocking attempts to bring back these girls, isn't that both tone deaf and offensive? >> it's both those things and more. i mean, it really shows, reverend al that that there's just not a single tragedy that these people won't use to bash the president and to race bait. we had rush limbaugh suggesting that this group couldn't be called terrorists because they
3:35pm
look like african-americans. '. >> they couldn't be terrorists -- >> they couldn't be called terrorists, as though we're being politically correct, because they look like african-americans. >> people think you're looking that up. let me play the boss of the republican party saying that. listen to this. >> the boko haram leader is a good looking guy. this is why mrs. clinton wouldn't call this group a terror group because they're black. you can't afford to do that. this is how surface conscious the left is. we can't call them terrorists because they look like african-americans and we just can't go there. >> what is that supposed to mean, joan? >> it's just playing to the basist instincts of his racist listeners, and he manages in there doing this now more and more, right?
3:36pm
they're slamming hillary clinton. it's not just mocking the first lady, but it's slamming heldry clinton and accusing all of us of political correctness if not narcissism, and it's completely wrong headed. >> not only is it slamming the first lady, slamming hillary clinton, what is he saying about african-americans that we would not want to see people caught that would do this to young girls? >> excuse me, reverend sharpton, didn't we both go to south sudan to deal with people who were being taken slaves when most people in the media didn't even know where south sudan was? >> yes, we did. and we did it while a democrat was in the white house, by the way. and i went to rwanda while a democrat was in the white house. >> thank you. and we criticized them. i mean, what are you talking about? this is what i don't understand. if george will's daughter, if all those folks on fox news had
3:37pm
daughters that had been taken the way these 300 young ladies had been taken and the first lady held up a hashtag, wouldn't they have the decency to say thank you for at least empathizing? thank you for at least thinking of us? and didn't we have young people and old people and people all over the world waerpi iwearing not too long ago because they empathized? they understood. this is just plain nasty. i'm floored by what you just reported what rush limbaugh said. but alan west is now saying that this is a conspiracy theory, or a conspiracy theory that's been put together by the obama administration. i kid you not. >> let me help you here. we have a great research team in "politicians nation." let me give you exactly what he
3:38pm
said. former congressman alan west claimed that the administration is only focusing on nigeria to, quote, distract from benghazi. he writes, and i'm quoting, are we witnessing an obama wag the dog moment with boko haram in nigeria? i say yes. consider all the scandals facing the obama administration, especially benghazi. >> so all the parents of those girls are in on it and the 50 girls who escaped and came back and talked about the danger they were in, they're in on this scheme? along with president obama? i mean, this is immoral. it's immoral. >> but that's the point, joan. there's no boundaries. we're talking about not something that happened -- these young ladies are still gone.
3:39pm
they are still in the possession of whomever they've been either sold to or with those in bo boko haram. and these guys are playing football like this is some maneuver that's not happening? it's to really distract from something else? how ruthless can you be? >> well, and to talk about it as an exercise in narcissism when the first lady is talking about nigh year january gi nigerian girls who are not formally top of mind for american power brokers, let's be honest. also, this really was surfaced largely by social media. it became a cause and a movement. pees people used social media, not to gossip about beyonce, but to do something powerful and positive. and it's largely been led by african-americans. so the other idea that african-americans are somehow trying to soft peddle -- we shouldn't even be dealing with rush limbaugh. i apologize for bringing him up. >> thank you both for your time. i must say, and i made this
3:40pm
point in my column this week, the real issue is, why it took weeks to even make this an issue. why africa is ignored when unless we get to a super crisis, it's not even dealt with. rwanda was ignored until many of us just kept beating the drums. and raising the voice level. and the same with sudan if it wasn't the same with joe madison and others. and i went that wouldn't become an issue. ignore. africa is the most mineral rich continent in the world. why do we ignore terrorism and genocide in africa until we can't ignore it any longer? that's the other side of the broader question of this whole attack. and we've got to keep the world's attention on this until these girls are brought home. i don't care what the other side says.
3:41pm
there shouldn't be another side to this. still ahead, did a man gun down a college student for the prank known as garage hopping? is a new case is reviving the debate about guns and self-defense. plus, rand paul's surprising statements about voter id. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.
3:42pm
so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next.
3:43pm
at afraud could meanuld blower credit scores. and higher mortgage rates. it's a problem waiting to happen. check your credit score, check your credit report at experian.com. c'mon, you want heartburn? when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums! do you have something for pain? i have bayer aspirin. i'm not having a heart attack, it's my back. i mean bayer back & body. it works great for pain. bayer back & body provides effective relief for your tough pain. better? yeah...thanks for the tip!
3:44pm
>> a deadly slooting in montana
3:45pm
is yet again sparking debate on self-defense laws in this country. this unarmed 17-year-old was shot to death inside of a garage. it happened in montana in the middle of the night on april 27. 29-year-old marcus karma on the left of your screen shot the 17-year-old to death. reports say the german exchange student may have been garage hopping. sneaking into an open garage to steal some beer or other items and then sneaking out again. clearly it's illegal. but this time, it was also deadly. he set up baby monitors around the garage and left the garage open. this is a screen shot of the surveillance video. you can clearly see deedee
3:46pm
inside the garage there. prosecutors say karma shot four times into his garage without warning after he tripped the sensors he installed and the shots killed h im. friends of the high school soccer player expressed shock when they learned of the shooting. >> my friend called me and i just thought it was a bad cream. like i didn't know what happened. it didn't hit me until yesterday when i saw everyone at school. it's just been kind of a shock. >> he was probably one of my closest friends. he was my first friend. he transferred here in delaware. he was the first one i met here. we just hit it off. he was one of the nicest people i ever met in my life. and he was just always there for you if you needed anything. just give it to you. >> but karma's lawyers say he feared for his safety and acted in self-defense. >> unfortunately, he was in his mind forced to discharge the
3:47pm
firearm because of the noises he heard within there. and he knew there was a male in there. and he shot, not trying to shoot and kill, but to warn. and unfortunately the young man was struck and killed. >> was this a case of self-defense or murder joining me now is state representative el ellie boldman-hill, a democrat from my sooissoula who wants to repeal the law. and also with us, faith jenkins, msnbc analyst. thank you both for being here. representative, let me go to you first, why did this shooting prompt you to call for action? >> well, frankly, reverend, i'm
3:48pm
a mom, a former prosecuting attorney myself and a three-time legislator. i'm outraged. we had 100 years of perfectly fine self-defense laups. at the behest of the koch brothers, changed the law in montana and 24 states to represent not just shoot first ask questions later, but vigilante justice and a license to kill. so within 24 hours after this young man was murdered, i joined with a lot of folks to say as a gun owner, enough is enough. >> now faith, in court documents, filed against mr. karma, his partner, his partner and mother of their 10-month-old child told police that they had laid a trap. this is what they said. she said she placed a purse with personal belongings that she had cataloged in the garage so that
3:49pm
they would take it. despite the fact that they had been burglarized. she left the garage door open. she set up a baby monitor in the garage and installed motion sensors. i mean, did they essentially set up a situation where someone would come into their home? >> and the prosecutors are also saying that this defendant told a witness that he had been up for three nights waiting to shoot a kid. >> let me again go to our crack research team. court documents also mentioned a woman at the hair salon who spoke with mr. karma before the shooting. quote, when felene asked the defendant how he's doing, the defendant replied, i'm just waiting to shoot someone bleeping kid. he told the stylist that he had been waiting up for three nights with his shotgun to some bleeping kid. she also reported the defendant was being extremely vulgar and belligerent. >> so this is why, these are the
3:50pm
reasons why the prosecutors have charged him with deliberate murder. and also you may see a charge of premeditation here. i mean, this has really taken the debate about the expansion of the dock rin laws and stand your ground laws to a new level. can you use the laws that allow you to protect yourself and your home to set a trap for a potential intruder to kill someone. >> that's the point. are these laws supposed to be set up for people to lay traps and sit up and wait to kill somebody? >> no, absolutely. that's my contention, reverend. these types of laws have created a culture in our country of vigilante justice that have expanded too far. i believe that this individual is using the castle doctrine. although it's premeditated murder just like we've seen in florida with trayvon martin and now we're seeing out in the west with montana. this isn't an urban or rural issue. this isn't a republican or democrat issue.
3:51pm
this is an issue of the nra taking our gun laws, taking our self-defense laws and running amuck in a dangerous way that has made our communities less safe and has now resulted in a culture of violence where people are being murdered in the name of their castle. >> faith, you know, mr. karma's lawyer defended his client es. >> actions pointing out they had been robbed in the weeks before the shooting. listen. >> when you look at the fact that it's late at night at their home. they had been robbed two different times. we know there's somebody in the home. it's certainly leads to a lot of facts that would allow somebody to defend themselves. >> now, it's a fair point. doesn't someone have the right to defend their home? what should he have done. >> if they're in reasonable fear, yes. the castle doctrine is if someone is breaking into your home, you don't have to wait and see what they're going to do before you can take action. there's a presumption that you are in fear of someone breaking into your home they might harm you. here, different circumstances.
3:52pm
this young man was in the garage and we now know about these facts where the defendant had set up, because he had been burglarized before, to see if someone was entering then he open fired without saying a word. essentially lured this person in and didn't call the police at that point. and so when you're looking at the -- in 2009, in this state of montana, they expanded the castle doctrine. usually someone entered your home in a violent manner then you could assume they would perhaps harm you. now it's just about what your reasonable belief is. when you look at the facts here, is it fear or a plan.? the prosecutor is saying this was a plan. he was not in reasonable fear. >> well, we'll be watching. and we'll be keeping up with what happens with this law. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up, senator rand paul speaks out on voter id laws. and it might surprise you. plus, michael sam becomes the
3:53pm
first openly gay nfl player. then came the ugly backlash, but there's a hopeful part to this great story. the day we rescued riley, was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com
3:54pm
that corporate trial by fire when every slacker gets his due. and yet, there's someone around the office who hasn't had a performance review in a while. someone whose poor performance is slowing down the entire organization. i'm looking at you phone company dsl. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. this week, michael sam made history by becoming the first openly gay player drafted into the nfl. it was a huge moment for him and
3:55pm
for america. a moment he shared with his partner on live tv. the white house released a statement saying, quote, the president congratulates michael sam from the playing field to the corporate board room, lgbt americans prove every day that you should be judged by what you do and not who you are. unfortunately some americans chose this moment to voice their worst gay sentiment, using twitter to attack sam's embrace with his partner. america is better than this. we moved beyond this. today, michael sam has the second highest sales in nfl jerseys out of all those in this year's draft. and a recent poll shows that 59% of americans support gay marriage. the nfl is ready for michael sam, and so is america. we wish him the best of luck.
3:56pm
tigers, both of you. tigers? don't be modest. i see how you've been investing. setting long term goals. diversifying. dip! you got our attention. we did? of course. you're type e* well, i have been researching retirement strategies. well that's what type e*s do. welcome home. taking control of your retirement? e*trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. are you type e*? predibut, manufacturings a prettin the united states do.
3:57pm
means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done.
3:58pm
>> it's been a rough few weeks for the gop on efforts to suppress the law. judge ruled voter id laws unconstitutional in wisconsin and arkansas. pennsylvania's gop governor gave up his fight for voter id in that state. and now we're even hearing a few republicans speak out against voter id itself. on friday, senator rand paul told "the new york times," quote, everybody has gone completely crazy on this voter id thing. i think it's wrong for republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it's offending people. he's right. it is offending people. and it is wrong. i'm encouraged by the senator's words. but the true hes of your conviction is whether you're willing to put them into action. and "the times" says, quote, paul did not on friday denounce
3:59pm
voter id laws as bad policy. he says these laws should be left to the states. this is strange to me. if these laws are wrong, if they're crazy, if they're offending people, then shouldn't we get rid of them? actions speak leader. senator paul has shown he's willing to buck his party on issues like criminal justice reform and voting rights for exfelons. but he's also hedged his support for the civil rights act, saying it needs to be modified. it's time for senator paul and other republicans to stand up and actually fight for everyone's right to vote. it is not enough to say people are offended, senator. it's why are they offended? they're offended because we always use id. why do we need new id? they're offended because seniors cannot afford in some cases with
4:00pm
fixed income to get these new ids. they're not offended because they have bad attitude. they're offended because this is bad policy and bad law. say that and then act on that and we will feel it's a break through, not just an offhanded remark. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. scare tactics. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." scare. let's play "hardball." sa good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. let me start with this preventive war being waged on hillary clinton. it's right out in the open now. from benghazi and nigeria, all the forces of the right are closing ranks to attack their common enemy for 2016. bill krystal, the